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MLP Sales Management

Deryk Rhodes

Deryk Rhodes

Head of Market-Linked Products

Deryk Rhodes leads InspereX’s development and distribution of market-linked products through its expanding presence in the financial advisor, banking, and broker-dealer communities. Prior to joining InspereX in 2010, he was with Newbridge Securities as Head of Structured Products Trading. His experience also includes serving as a Director at Citigroup, focusing on market-linked product sales to third-party dealers and institutional accounts, and as a Vice President within the market-linked products structuring and trading group at Nomura Securities. Deryk has been a frequent speaker at industry conferences and is regularly quoted in investment journals.


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Chris Mee

Managing Director, Head of Market-Linked Products Distribution

A 30-year veteran of the financial services industry, Chris Mee is responsible for InspereX’s market-linked products wholesale distribution force. Before joining the firm in 2015, Chris led RCS Capital Corporation’s liquid alternative distribution as Executive Vice President and National Sales Director. Previously, he was with John Hancock/Wood Logan, leading multiple distribution teams across a variety of product lines, including mutual funds, retirement plan services, and variable annuities. Chris holds Series 7, 24 and 63 licenses.


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Bob Mcdermott

Managing Director, National Sales Manager - External Sales

Bob McDermott leads InspereX’s external wholesale team. He has more than 25 years of experience managing successful teams in the strategic distribution of investment solutions at the retail and institutional levels. Previously, he was a Senior Vice President and Head of Relationship Management at F-Squared Investments, where he was responsible for national key account management, platform sales, and global client service. Bob served as Principal of the Capital Markets Group at Orinda Asset Management and enjoyed a 16-year career at Putnam Investments as Senior Vice President in the retail management division. He earned a BA in political science from Providence College. Bob holds Series 7, 24, and 63 licenses.


Holly Manning

Holly Manning

Managing Director, National Sales Manager - Internal Sales

Holly Manning manages InspereX’s Internal Sales and Business Development Team for market-linked products. She has 25 years of experience in the financial services industry. Before joining InspereX, Holly held positions in external sales and account management for annuities, 401(k) and 529 plans at John Hancock/Wood Logan. She earned a BS in psychology from Guilford College. Her licenses include Series 7, 24, and 63, as well as life insurance.


Rob Nixon

Rob Nixon

Senior Vice President, Advanced Markets

Rob Nixon manages InspereX’s team of Internal Business Consultants. Rob began his career in financial services over 15 years ago, working as a financial advisor with a concentration on wealth management for professional athletes. He earned a BA in communication studies with a focus on interpersonal communications from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Rob is a Certified Financial Planner and holds Series 7, 24, and 63 licenses.


External Distribution

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Sean Babik

Senior Vice President, Regional Sales Director

Sean Babik is InspereX’s external wholesaler for Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Washington D.C. Before joining InspereX, Sean spent more than 15 years wholesaling annuities and 529 college savings plans for two major insurance companies. He also has extensive experience in liquid alternative mutual funds, market-linked products, and previously held a CPA designation in the state of Pennsylvania. Sean is a graduate of Pennsylvania State University. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses.


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David Bottom

Regional Vice President

David Bottom serves financial advisors in Florida and Georgia. Before joining InspereX, he catered to financial advisors for more than a decade throughout several positions and represented liquid alternative funds for RC Securities as well as retirement income products for John Hancock/Wood Logan and Transamerica. He earned a BS from the University of Florida and holds Series 7 and 63 licenses.


Dan Coates

Dan Coates

Senior Vice President, Regional Sales Director

Dan Coates is InspereX’s external wholesaler in Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas. He has more than two decades of experience in the financial services industry and was previously Director of Sales for Crossroads Capital, a Regional Vice President for Realty Capital Securities, and Senior Vice President for Manulife/Wood Logan. Dan also has extensive retail experience, having built two successful financial planning firms over ten years. He earned a bachelor’s degree in speech communication from Tarleton State University and holds his Series 7 and 63 licenses, as well as life and health insurance and annuities licenses.


Thomas Cooney

Tom Cooney

Regional Vice President

Tom Cooney serves financial advisors in the Metro New York area. Prior to joining InspereX in 2018 as an Internal Wholesaler, he launched his career as a Personal Investor Brokerage Professional at Vanguard. Tom earned a BA degree in Business Communications at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University, where he also played for the men’s ice hockey team. Tom holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In his free time, he enjoys golfing.


Lawrence DeMarco

Lawrence DeMarco

Regional Vice President

Lawrence DeMarco represents InspereX in Alaska, Idaho, Montana, North California, North Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. He brings over two decades of wholesaling experience to the financial advisors he serves. Prior to joining InspereX, Lawrence spent 26 years servicing financial advisors in all channels, wholesaling mutual funds, ETF’s, Managed Accounts, and annuities at John Hancock Investments. Lawrence attended Bradford College and holds Series 7, 6, and 63 licenses.


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Dave Herron

Senior Vice President, Regional Sales Director

Dave Herron is a strong partner to financial advisors in Tennessee, North Carolina, and South Carolina. Before joining InspereX, Dave spent a decade with Sterling Capital Management helping financial advisors build their practices using his expertise in mutual funds, separate accounts, and annuities. A proud graduate of The Ohio State University, he holds a degree in natural resources management, Series 7 and 63 licenses, and life and health insurance licenses.


John Hunter

John Hunter

Regional Vice President

John Hunter joined InspereX in 2017 after graduating from Muhlenberg College with a degree in business administration and a focus in finance and marketing. John holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. He teaches yoga and coaches basketball and football to special needs children with Parkland Buddy Sports, his hometown charity organization.


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Rafael Lamo

Regional Vice President

Rafael Lamo joined InspereX’s internal distribution team in April 2018 with a background in the financial services industry. Previously, he worked as an analyst at a Long-Short Equity hedge fund with offices in Miami Beach and New York City. Rafael graduated from Florida International University with a degree in finance. He holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. Rafael is passionate about soccer, traveling, and spending time with family and friends.


Tim Maltby

Tim Maltby

Regional Vice President

Tim Maltby serves financial advisors in Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota as well as North and South Dakota. Tim brings over 7 years of experience in market-linked products, supporting advisors in both bank and independent channels. He was also a member of InspereX’s Business Development team, where he maintained strategic relationships and was responsible for training and support on various issuer portals. Tim holds a BS in Business Management from Bridgewater State University. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 as well as life insurance and annuity licenses.


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Mac McGarity

Senior Vice President, Regional Sales Director

Mac McGarity represents InspereX in Kentucky, Ohio, Virginia, and West Virginia. He brings 26 years of wholesaling experience to InspereX’s market-linked products business. Before joining the firm, Mac served at various firms across the industry, including John Hancock/Wood Logan, Sun Life Financial, AXA Advisors LLC and AIG Insurance Co. He started his career as a financial analyst and sales representative at Air Products and Chemicals, Inc. Mac earned an MBA in finance from The College of William and Mary and a bachelor’s degree from Virginia Tech. He holds Series 7 and 63 licenses.


Patrick McSherry

Patrick McSherry

Regional Vice President

Patrick McSherry brings more than 29 years of experience in the financial services industry to Southern California, Nevada, and Hawaii. Patrick previously worked with top financial advisors and high-net-worth clients around the world to deliver wealth management and distribution strategies. He began his career working on Wall Street as a fixed income specialist. He was a consultant for the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong and the Shenzhen Exchange in China, where he helped introduce derivative instruments to their equity markets. Patrick also trained and advised brokers and regulators in Singapore, Taiwan, the United Kingdom, Brazil, and Canada. He has served as a financial advisor, branch manager, and as an options, general and municipal principal. Patrick earned a BA degree from Skidmore College. He holds Series 7, 24, and 63 licenses.


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Dorian Moros

Regional Vice President

Dorian Moros represents InspereX in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Dorian started his career as a Trust Officer with Grand Premier Trust and Investments and went on to become a financial advisor with JPMorgan Chase. He spent eight years as an external wholesaler for Cetera Financial, specializing in private money management programs, annuities, and mutual funds, and consulting on practice management and succession planning. Dorian earned a BS in finance from Roosevelt University and a certificate in financial planning from DePaul University. He holds Series 6, 7, 24 and 63 licenses in addition to life and health insurance licenses.


Alec Petterson

Alec Petterson

Regional Vice President

Alec Petterson joined InspereX in 2021 after previously working at UBS in branch operations. He graduated from Nyack College where he majored in business administration with a concentration in finance while also playing on the baseball team. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In his free time, Alec enjoys exercising, bonding with relatives, and cheering on the Kansas City Chiefs.


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John Swenson

Senior Vice President, Regional Sales Director

John Swenson has spent most of his career partnering with financial advisors and licensed bankers in the Northeast to help them meet their clients’ needs. He started as a Licensed Banker with US Bank and went on to become a Senior Wholesaler with USBI and then an Internal Wholesaler with US Bancorp Asset Management. He has worked as an external wholesaler for Great-West Life and Annuity, Western National, and Security Benefit. John holds a BA from St. Olaf College, where he studied biology and financial management. He holds Series 7, 24 and 63 licenses.


Regional Associate Vice Presidents

Wayne Barrett

Wayne Barrett, CFP®, CRPC®

Associate Vice President

Wayne Barrett has more than 16 years of experience in the financial services. He previously worked as a financial advisor at Ameriprise Financial, Chase Investments and PNC. He earned a BS with a double major in Management Studies and Accounting from the University of the West Indies as well as an MS in Personal Financial Planning from the College for Financial Planning. Wayne holds the Series 7 license and a Life, Health, and Variable Annuity license. He is a Certified Financial Planner™ (CFP®) and Chartered Retirement Planning Counselor (CRPC®). Wayne’s hobbies include taking cruises with his wife and watching basketball.


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Joe Cagno

Associate Vice President

Joey Cagno joined InspereX in 2018 after graduating from the University of Central Florida with a degree in finance. Before joining InspereX, he was a server at a local farm to table restaurant and was as an ice hockey referee. Joey holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In his spare time, he enjoys playing hockey.


Jacob Edney

Jacob Edney

Associate Vice President

Jacob Edney joined InspereX in 2022 after attending the University of South Florida. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. Jacob enjoys the beach, staying active and trying new restaurants.


Jake McCabe

Jake McCabe

Associate Vice President

Jake McCabe joined InspereX after working in the yachting industry and gaining sales experience in solar energy. He graduated in 2018 from Centre College with a degree in economics and finance. Jake holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In his spare time, he enjoys practicing jujitsu, golf, and watersports.


Matt Post

Matthew Post

Associate Vice President

Matthew Post graduated with a bachelor’s degree in economics from the Eller College of Management at the University of Arizona. He also ran track for the University of Arizona. Matthew holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In his leisure time, he enjoys spending time with friends and playing sports.


Joe Rolander

Joe Rolander

Associate Vice President

Joe Rolander joined InspereX after working in technology sales for 6 years with Google and Oracle. He graduated from The Ohio State University with a degree in Finance. Joe holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In his free time, he enjoys golfing, eating steak, watersports, and watching the Cincinnati Bengals.


Mark Solimando

Mark Solimando

Associate Vice President

Before joining InspereX, Mark Solimando served as a financial advisor with Merrill Lynch and JP Morgan, where he provided unique strategies to help clients achieve their individual goals. Mark earned a BS degree in finance from Johnson & Wales University in Providence, RI. He holds Series 7, 63 as well as Variable Life and Health Insurance licenses. In his free time, he enjoys the outdoors, golfing, and spending time with his two dogs and his family.


Internal Distribution

Kevin Abel

Kevin Abel

Internal Wholesaler

Kevin Abel graduated with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Communication Studies from Florida Atlantic University. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. When Kevin is not in the office, he enjoys playing golf and scuba diving.


Jett Bond

Jett Bond

Internal Wholesaler

Before joining InspereX, Jett Bond gained experience in the industry by working under Osaic Wealth advisors. He graduated with a bachelor’s degree in communication and computer science from the University of Alabama. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In his free time, Jett enjoys playing golf, going to the beach, and adventuring South Florida. 


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Danny Coates

Internal Wholesaler

Danny Coates joined InspereX as a graduate of Texas Christian University with a bachelor’s degree in finance with a concentration in Real Estate. Danny previously interned with InspereX and currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. He enjoys fishing, cooking, going to the beach, and watching sports.


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Scott Curran

Internal Wholesaler

Scott Curran joined InspereX in December of 2023 as a graduate of Valdosta State University in Valdosta Georgia, with a bachelor’s degree in finance. Scott also played baseball at the university, where he served as a pitcher. He currently holds series 7 and 63 licenses. In his free time, Scott enjoys watching sports, fishing, and cooking.


Drew Daniels

Drew Daniels

Internal Wholesaler

Drew Daniels joined InspereX as a graduate from Florida State University with a double major in business marketing and management. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. As a South Florida native, Drew enjoys being on the water, golfing, and spending time with friends.


Stephan Dauzat

Stephan Dauzat

Internal Wholesaler

Before transitioning into financial services, Stephan Dauzat gained over a decade of work experience in the hospitality industry. He graduated with a bachelor of science in business administration with a concentration in finance from San Jose State University. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. Stephan enjoys exercising, watching competitive sports, and honing his cooking skills during his spare time.


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Reed Hicks

Internal Wholesaler

Reed Hicks joined InspereX as a graduate from Lipscomb University in Nashville, Tennessee with a bachelor’s degree in personal finance. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. Reed enjoys golfing, water sports, and snow skiing.


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Jake Marwede

Internal Wholesaler

Jake Marwede joined InspereX as a graduate from Duke University in Durham, North Carolina with a Bachelor of Science degree in economics and a certificate in Markets and Management Studies. Jake also played football at Duke, where he served as the starting tight end for the Blue Devils. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. Jake enjoys hiking, fishing, fitness, and woodworking in his spare time.


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Ben McCormack

Internal Wholesaler

Ben McCormack joined InspereX as a graduate of Virginia Tech University majoring in Entrepreneurship Innovation Technology Management (EIT). He currently holds series 7 and 63. In his free time, he enjoys working out, going to the beach, and playing golf and tennis.


Veronica Noel

Veronica Noel

Senior Internal Wholesaler

Veronica Noel joined InspereX with more than 10 years of experience in the financial services industry. She previously worked as a financial advisor at Merrill Lynch and AIG Retirement Services. Veronica is currently pursuing an accounting degree at Florida Atlantic University. She holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In her spare time, Veronica enjoys volunteering, traveling, and spending quality time with family and friends.


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Tiana Okolichany

Internal Wholesaler

Tiana Okolichany joined InspereX after 5 years of working in the yachting industry as a chief stewardess. She graduated from Florida State University with a Bachelor of Science degree in Media Communications. She currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In her free time, Tiana enjoys anything related to the ocean, pilates, traveling, and reading.


Frantz Pierre

Frantz Pierre

Internal Wholesaler

Frantz Pierre joined InspereX after working in the financial services & mortgage industry for 6 years. He graduated from the University of West Florida with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Psychology with coursework in finance. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. In his free time, Frantz enjoys being out in nature or at the beach, reading, and cooking.


Dan Shaffer

Don Shaffer

Internal Wholesaler

Don Shaffer joined InspereX as a graduate from Penn State University with a bachelor's degree in corporate finance. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. Don enjoys hiking, fishing, and hunting. He is also an avid mountain bike rider.


Frayser Wall

Frayser Wall

Internal Wholesaler

Frayser Wall joined InspereX as a graduate from University of Virgnia with a bachelor’s degree in economics. He currently holds series 7 & 63 licenses. In his free time, he enjoys spending time at the beach, and is an avid sports fan.


National Accounts

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John Marone

Senior Vice President, Bank National Accounts

John Marone is responsible for managing market-linked product initiatives and home office relationships in the bank channel at InspereX. He has been in the financial services industry for over 30 years, having held positions as an advisor, sales manager, and most recently as a Regional Vice President-external wholesaler. Starting at InspereX in 2012 as the first external wholesaler for the firm, he helped launch new relationships with many firms and worked to educate advisors on market-linked products. John brings a deep understanding of the industry and has a conviction to grow the segment. He attended the University of Florida, holds Series 7, 24, 63, and Florida Life/Health licenses. John is married with four children and is an avid fan of the Chicago Cubs and Tampa Bay Lightning. In addition, he enjoys traveling and spending time with his family.


Chris Savage

Chris Savage

Vice President, Business Development

Chris Savage is InspereX’s Business Development Vice President for Osaic nationwide. Chris has over 30 years of financial services experience working with mutual funds, ETF’s, SMA, fixed and variable annuities. He is a graduate of Albright College of Business and holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. Chris is an avid skier and golfer.


MLP Trading & Origination

Patty Cohen

Patty Cohen

Vice President, Market-Linked Products Origination

Patty Cohen supports the business development, sales, and product management needs of the market-linked products Trading & Origination team. She has more than 23 years of experience working in financial markets. Prior to her current role, she was on InspereX’s market-linked products Trading Desk for eight years, responsible for trading and distribution with a variety of issuers. Previously, she worked at Wachovia Securities as a Vice President of Fixed Income Trading and at Prudential Securities. Patty earned a bachelor’s degree in business from Skidmore College.


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Nick Cvetan

Assistant Vice President, Market- Linked Products

Nicolas Cvetan is responsible for making markets and facilitating trades in the secondary market of market-linked CDs and structured notes. He has been with InspereX since 2018. He earned a bachelor’s degree in finance with a minor in Operations Management and holds an MBA with a concentration in Finance from Florida Atlantic University.


Dylan Diliberto

Dylan Dilberto

Vice President, Market-Linked Products Trading & Origination

Dylan Diliberto is responsible for market-linked product order management, the monitoring of product life cycle events, and reporting analytics. Before joining InspereX in 2016, Dylan worked at Barclays and the Federal Reserve System. He earned a BBA majoring in economics with dual minors in finance and computer information systems from the University of Miami. He holds Series 7 and 63 licenses.


Ted Kellerman

Ted Kellerman

Managing Director - Market-Linked Products Origination

A 22-year veteran of financial services and investment banking, Ted Kellerman is responsible for market-linked product origination. He began his career in emerging markets as an institutional sovereign debt broker before moving into financial services, supporting the growth and development of electronic trading for sovereign debt, as well as high grade and high yield markets. In 2004, he joined Deutsche Bank as a generalist in global market sales, and in 2007 moved into equity derivatives to help build national retail distribution. In 2010, Ted joined the equity derivatives group at Natixis, where he later served as Head of Investment Solutions prior to joining InspereX. He is a graduate of the University of Massachusetts with a BA in political science.


Tim Piatek

Tim Piatek, CFA

Senior Vice President, Market-Linked Products Trading

Tim Piatek is responsible for making markets and facilitating trades in the secondary market across all asset classes and from a wide variety of issuers. Tim spent three years as an Analyst for InspereX’s operations group before his promotion to Vice President on the market-linked products trading desk in 2011. A CFA charterholder, he earned his bachelor’s degree in economics from DePauw University.


Jayson Rasel

Jayson Rasel

Managing Director, Market-Linked Products Trading & Origination

Jayson Rasel is responsible for InspereX’s market-linked product origination. Previously, he served as an Institutional Sales Professional specializing in market-linked products for PrinceRidge. He has been with InspereX since 2013. Jayson graduated cum laude from Florida Atlantic University with a bachelor’s degree in finance.


Paul Rothschild

Paul Rothschild

Managing Director, Market-Linked Products Trading

With over 22 years of professional experience, Paul Rothschild is responsible for the origination and trading of both new issues and secondary structured CDs and notes linked to stocks, indices, commodities, foreign exchange, credit, and inflation. Paul was formerly with Bank of America Merrill Lynch as a Director within the cross-asset solutions and strategies desk, responsible for structuring and marketing interest rate-linked and equity-linked structured investments. Before that, he was a Vice President at CALYON Corporate & Investment Bank in the interest rate derivatives department, where he marketed and structured over-the-counter interest rate derivatives to financial institutions. He joined InspereX in 2013. Paul earned a BA from St. Lawrence University, graduating cum laude with honors in economics and a minor in mathematics. Paul enjoys skiing, hiking, and international travel with his family.


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Julian Tucker

Assistant Vice President, Market-Linked Products Trading & Origination

Julian Tucker joined InspereX after previously gaining experience at AXA Advisors, New York Life Insurance, and Policygenius. He earned his bachelor’s in finance with a concentration in economics from the University of Alabama. He currently holds Series 7 and 63 licenses. Julian enjoys camping and rooting for the Alabama football team.


MLP Direct Sales

Charles Abel

Charles Abel

Vice President, Direct Sales

Prior to joining InspereX in 2018, Charles ran a small business operation in South Florida maintaining commercial and large-scale residential aquariums. He graduated from Temple University with a Bachelor of Arts. Charles enjoys golf, snorkeling, diving, and playing music.


Laurie Cole

Laurie Cole

Managing Director, Direct Sales

Laurie Cole has 35 years of experience in the financial markets with a focus on dealer sales within fixed income and market-linked products. Laurie is responsible for the relationship management and sales of rate-based products and oversees the sale of market linked products to non-wholesaled accounts. Prior to joining InspereX in 2003, Laurie worked at FTN Financial, Countrywide Securities, Bankers Trust and LaSalle National Bank. She attended the University of Arkansas at Little Rock and is a registered representative, a General Securities Principal and Municipal Securities Principal with FINRA.


Matthew Reilly

Matthew Reilly

Managing Director, Direct Sales

With 20+ years of experience in the financial services industry, Matthew Reilly is responsible for supporting and growing both InspereX’s direct and wholesaled market-linked product accounts with a focus on equity-linked products. His career started on Wall Street in 1999 at PaineWebber as a financial advisor in the Private Client Group. Matthew has been involved in the marketing and distribution of structured products since 2002 at UBS, Wachovia Securities, Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse, and the Bank of NY Mellon/Pershing. Matthew graduated from Villanova in 1991 with a Bachelor of Arts majoring in Political Science. He holds Series 7 and 63 licenses.


MLP RIA Solutions

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John Brillantes

Senior Vice President, Market-Linked Products RIA Solutions

With over 20 years in the financial industry, John Brillantes partners with RIAs to deliver market-linked products that are optimized for their practice. He joined InspereX to provide targeted yield and growth strategies designed to manage risk and volatility in client portfolios. Prior to joining InspereX, John held roles as the Trading Desk Principal and Co-head of Structured Note Sales at Merrion Group. He received his B.S. and MBA from the Gabelli School of Business at Fordham University and holds Series 7,24,63,57,24, and 4 licenses. In his leisure time, John enjoys family time, traveling, and going to the beach.


Chris Gamber

Chris Gamber

Vice President, Market-Linked Products RIA Solutions

As InspereX’s Advanced Markets Consultant, Chris Gamber services advisors by focusing on customized risk management solutions. Chris has more than a decade of experience selling market-linked products, fixed income, and unit investment trusts. Previously, he was a Senior Internal Wholesaler with InspereX and an Advisory Consultant with Advisors Asset Management. Chris earned a bachelor's degree in finance from the University of South Florida. His licenses include Series 6, 7, and 63.


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Dakota Schlater

Internal Desk, Market-Linked Products RIA Solutions

With over six years of experience partnering with financial advisors, Dakota joins InspereX as the newest member of the RIA Structured Products Team. After graduating from West Chester University, Dakota joined Pacer ETFs where he spent time in the field and on the internal desk. He holds Series 7 and 63 licenses.